Boys I’m bein for real. For every female chess player there is it seems to have 50 male chess players. Any of y’all know why?
It does, and we don't talk about it.
There are a lot of women chess masters. Unfortunately one hasn't come along to take the world title.
It would be a great thing for chess if someone would. I really wonder why that is ? - :]
- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_chess_grandmasters -
It would be a great thing for chess if someone would. I really wonder why that is ? - :]
- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_chess_grandmasters -
Don't ban me for this, but I think boys more naturally gravitate towards activities that resemble conflict and fighting. I do think it's biological.
If you took 100 boys and 100 girls at age 5 and coached them to be chess players for 20 years, I don't think there would be any significant difference in elo on average. But I think more boys find chess enjoyable. And so with a larger male player pool, you have bigger outliers on the tail ends. I think that explains why the top players are mostly male.
If you took 100 boys and 100 girls at age 5 and coached them to be chess players for 20 years, I don't think there would be any significant difference in elo on average. But I think more boys find chess enjoyable. And so with a larger male player pool, you have bigger outliers on the tail ends. I think that explains why the top players are mostly male.
No and I really don’t care and neither should you unless of course there’s a hidden agenda to the question.
Quite honestly I smell another rancid and nonsensical ‘chess is sexist’ topic.
Quite honestly I smell another rancid and nonsensical ‘chess is sexist’ topic.
Are you talking about audiences or players?
years ago, young boys were encouraged to play chess and young girls were dissuaded from playing chess. That takes a long time to fix, and in the meantime, it can be intimidating or worse for some young women in a male dominated environment, so they're more likely to quit playing chess.
years ago, young boys were encouraged to play chess and young girls were dissuaded from playing chess. That takes a long time to fix, and in the meantime, it can be intimidating or worse for some young women in a male dominated environment, so they're more likely to quit playing chess.
Maybe we should Ask Sis' @VVirtual
@BorisOspasky said in #5:
> No and I really don’t care and neither should you unless of course there’s a hidden agenda to the question.
>
> Quite honestly I smell another rancid and nonsensical ‘chess is sexist’ topic.
@greysensei said in #4:
> Don't ban me for this, but I think boys more naturally gravitate towards activities that resemble conflict and fighting. I do think it's biological.
>
> If you took 100 boys and 100 girls at age 5 and coached them to be chess players for 20 years, I don't think there would be any significant difference in elo on average. But I think more boys find chess enjoyable. And so with a larger male player pool, you have bigger outliers on the tail ends. I think that explains why the top players are mostly male.
Boris I have to call you out on this one. The OP is clearly right in that women are seriously underrepresented in the chess world in terms of numbers. I agree with greysensei's take on perhaps one of the reasons and the fact that we have to be honest about the stats here in terms of pool size and outliers.
To suggest though that bringing up this topic and talking about the reasons why there are relatively so few women playing chess is "rancid" and "nonsensical" is to discourage and minimise the discussion. As a male, you have hardly experienced what some female players may come across. You maybe don't get dms from other users asking for your phone number so they can send you pics, or asking you about your looks or if you can go on a date with them, or patronising you if you played poorly by linking it to your being female rather than just having a bad game. Do you even see it as a problem that so many women and girls are put off playing chess, partly by the way a very small minority of male players behave towards them?
I have reported several users for such unpleasant behaviour, both towards me and other females on the site. I even considered closing this account and making a new one with a gender-neutral username to avoid such harassment. But then I thought it would be more encouraging to other females to be visibly female so they know they are not alone, and indeed several have reached out to me with friendship and encouragement. It is a double-edged sword.
greysensei re whether women like fighting, well I guess that depends on the individual but maybe there are more combative males than females in general, I don't know. I am an aggressive individual (in a sporting context) and enjoyed playing rugby and kickboxing when I was a bit younger and I still enjoy competitive sport today. I am a female professional in a male dominated workplace and love hanging out with and competing with the guys.
And as balance to some of the other things I have said, as one of a very small handful of females in my team, I find that most if not all of the guys there are very sweet, lovely and encouraging towards me, we love playing against each other and there is a lot of craic and banter. It could even be said that some of them treat me like Royalty...but then it is a very special team...<3
> No and I really don’t care and neither should you unless of course there’s a hidden agenda to the question.
>
> Quite honestly I smell another rancid and nonsensical ‘chess is sexist’ topic.
@greysensei said in #4:
> Don't ban me for this, but I think boys more naturally gravitate towards activities that resemble conflict and fighting. I do think it's biological.
>
> If you took 100 boys and 100 girls at age 5 and coached them to be chess players for 20 years, I don't think there would be any significant difference in elo on average. But I think more boys find chess enjoyable. And so with a larger male player pool, you have bigger outliers on the tail ends. I think that explains why the top players are mostly male.
Boris I have to call you out on this one. The OP is clearly right in that women are seriously underrepresented in the chess world in terms of numbers. I agree with greysensei's take on perhaps one of the reasons and the fact that we have to be honest about the stats here in terms of pool size and outliers.
To suggest though that bringing up this topic and talking about the reasons why there are relatively so few women playing chess is "rancid" and "nonsensical" is to discourage and minimise the discussion. As a male, you have hardly experienced what some female players may come across. You maybe don't get dms from other users asking for your phone number so they can send you pics, or asking you about your looks or if you can go on a date with them, or patronising you if you played poorly by linking it to your being female rather than just having a bad game. Do you even see it as a problem that so many women and girls are put off playing chess, partly by the way a very small minority of male players behave towards them?
I have reported several users for such unpleasant behaviour, both towards me and other females on the site. I even considered closing this account and making a new one with a gender-neutral username to avoid such harassment. But then I thought it would be more encouraging to other females to be visibly female so they know they are not alone, and indeed several have reached out to me with friendship and encouragement. It is a double-edged sword.
greysensei re whether women like fighting, well I guess that depends on the individual but maybe there are more combative males than females in general, I don't know. I am an aggressive individual (in a sporting context) and enjoyed playing rugby and kickboxing when I was a bit younger and I still enjoy competitive sport today. I am a female professional in a male dominated workplace and love hanging out with and competing with the guys.
And as balance to some of the other things I have said, as one of a very small handful of females in my team, I find that most if not all of the guys there are very sweet, lovely and encouraging towards me, we love playing against each other and there is a lot of craic and banter. It could even be said that some of them treat me like Royalty...but then it is a very special team...<3
'Girls don't play chess' Mr Shaibel
It wasn't too long ago that men believed it was a man's game.
It wasn't too long ago there was apartheid
It wasn't too long ago it was against the law to be gay (still is in some places)
It takes time for opinions and prejudices to change , be patient .
Time heals everything xxx SOJB
Edit: Maybe fathers need to teach their daughters the game too xxx
It wasn't too long ago that men believed it was a man's game.
It wasn't too long ago there was apartheid
It wasn't too long ago it was against the law to be gay (still is in some places)
It takes time for opinions and prejudices to change , be patient .
Time heals everything xxx SOJB
Edit: Maybe fathers need to teach their daughters the game too xxx
Hopefully the NetFlix Series Queen's Gambit has Inspired Girls to Join Chess Federations Worldwide' @SOJB
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